tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post1001860239902764634..comments2023-10-10T04:34:25.848-04:00Comments on You Are Dreaming: The mirage of ME-SEEING-WORLDRandall Friendhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-54729504699649150732009-07-29T21:38:29.660-04:002009-07-29T21:38:29.660-04:00Anonymous,
"I am awake" really means - ...Anonymous,<br /><br />"I am awake" really means - Consciousness is present, yes?<br /><br />So when Consciousness is not present, we call that sleep.<br /><br />How do you know Consciousness was not there in sleep? How do you know Consciousness or wakefulness came this morning and will pass tonight?<br /><br />It is this Consciousness coming which brings about the idea of a separate "I" who sleeps and is awake. The only reality is THAT which never comes and goes. THAT is aware of the passing of Consciousness and its content, including this separate-self.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-42008454133540283702009-07-29T19:43:19.317-04:002009-07-29T19:43:19.317-04:00Hi Randall,
I have the concept of deep sleep,only ...Hi Randall,<br />I have the concept of deep sleep,only because sciense said it.<br />If I had never heard about it , I should not know about its existence.<br />Always seems that I am awake during a dream state and never during a deep sleep state.<br />In other words if I had not heard about deep sleep state I should know nothing about its existence,since I am not aware of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-74349136991483771272009-07-28T19:59:17.620-04:002009-07-28T19:59:17.620-04:00Know THAT Isness - being the only true knowing - i...Know THAT Isness - being the only true knowing - inexorably points to the fact that Awareness is the Sum. The Sum of it all. It is mathematically pristine in its elegance and incontrovertible. it is beauty. It is Art.<br /><br />SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-40716750525786693022009-07-28T19:56:03.400-04:002009-07-28T19:56:03.400-04:00Absolutely crystalline clarity!
amazing! Thanks w...Absolutely crystalline clarity!<br /><br />amazing! Thanks with all my heart Randall<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-53477207619899606042009-07-28T19:52:51.600-04:002009-07-28T19:52:51.600-04:00Randall i dont know what to say!
You said "w...Randall i dont know what to say!<br /><br />You said "we cannot say WHAT it is, we can only say THAT it is". I read this, it hit home and i laughed unstoppably. There is no WHAT - WHAT is just labels! Yes! There is only THAT it Is. <br /><br />To be honest, I could not interpret the rest of your response to me. There is a blank here. It is Peaceful. I cannot describe it really. Is it an experience? maybe. I dont know. But its not worrisome either way. I have to cook now. :) i love u and thank you - still laughing! How could i miss this! There is no WHAT - there is no 'understanding" or 'knowing" outside of labels. There is only knowing THAT it is - that is the extent of any true knowing. Jeezus its so obvious.<br /><br />What is shiva? I dont know, i'll deal with it later i suppose. There is an aversion to pondering at this time, I shall come back to your response.<br /><br />thank you again!<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-63630598316983690322009-07-27T21:50:19.974-04:002009-07-27T21:50:19.974-04:00Anonymous,
So-called "deep sleep" is a ...Anonymous,<br /><br />So-called "deep sleep" is a concept requiring a "sleeper" - someone who is conscious and then later is not.<br /><br />What you're really saying is that Consciousness was absent - the very idea of "deep sleep" assumes the absence of Consciousness. Therefore there is no idea of deep sleep.<br /><br />Yet that is false. You DO know of deep sleep, otherwise you couldn't have the concept. You DO know that so-called deep sleep happened. You know that Consciousness came this morning and that it will pass tonight.<br /><br />It isn't a complete blank with no memory of the coming and going of Consciousness. It is absolutely true that something was there to witness the arrival of Consciousness.<br /><br />In fact, even in the absence of Consciousness, if there is a knock on the door, Consciousness returns. Something remains aware in the absence of Consciousness.<br /><br />Deep sleep is only a concept, as is the "dream state" and "waking state". These are passing states. What you are is THAT which knows these states.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-65191151675534247412009-07-27T20:13:18.505-04:002009-07-27T20:13:18.505-04:00Randall,
how do you know that exist a state of dee...Randall,<br />how do you know that exist a state of deep sleep,since you are not conscious of it?<br />Somebody could argue that one hour ago you was in deep sleep but you don't remember it because you was not conscious of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-25347637922305775322009-07-27T19:37:34.742-04:002009-07-27T19:37:34.742-04:00Shiva,
You cannot BECOME One with it because you ...Shiva,<br /><br />You cannot BECOME One with it because you already ARE THAT. <br /><br />We cannot say WHAT it is, we can only say THAT it is. WHAT it is isn't "flower". WHAT it is, is Sat - pure Being - existence - one substance - whatever label you like. The existence or IS-ness of that flower is the same IS-ness of the body or the earth or the universe.<br /><br />You know THAT you are. WHAT you are can only ever be more concept - can only be mind splitting up reality into "things", of which "shiva" is some separate and temporary "thing".<br /><br />And THAT is THIS - just THIS, right here and now. <br /><br />You are never without Self-knowledge. You absolutely and intimately know "I" - yet that "I" is taken to be something it's not - body-mind.<br /><br />We may say "I" is pure subjectivity which objectifies everything - yet ultimately there is no subject or object - this is just a way of thinking, a template overlaid upon reality.<br /><br />Yes - what is "shiva"? Something knows the word "shiva". Something knows the idea "shiva". Shiva must appear somehow to know of it. Shiva must manifest somehow - a thought, a belief, an idea, a concept, a feeling, an image - shiva absolutely is appearance.<br /><br />The pure subjectivity "I" is NOT "shiva". The appearance "shiva" comes and goes while "I" remains.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-65200507955175935952009-07-27T09:18:37.075-04:002009-07-27T09:18:37.075-04:00you hold up a 'flower' and ask what is it?...you hold up a 'flower' and ask what is it? I dont know! What is it? i really don't know. Is it possible to KNOW? What does KNOWING mean? I know the label that a societal group applies to it but how can i KNOW IT? I can only know by becoming One with it. <br /><br />This is very curious... i just re-read what i wrote above....and i AM one with myself. So I DO KNOW myself then! But then the concept/value/meaning of KNOW itself becomes meaningless? What I AM to myself cannot be put it words, i dont even know what/how or IF it means anything...to say i KNOW myself...the whole 'knowing' model crumbles.<br /><br />Yes everything is a label. I see it clearly when referenced to a flower. But what is 'Shiva'? Im still sitting with that...<br /><br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-79385396095759281002009-07-27T00:16:52.075-04:002009-07-27T00:16:52.075-04:00Shiva,
You ARE. That's it. Anything added on...Shiva,<br /><br />You ARE. That's it. Anything added on to that is duality, some sort of image, a name and form, which can never be absolute. It's that simple. <br /><br />Absolute reality is pure simplicity. IS-ness. The IS-ness of everything is THAT nondual reality. Everything is THAT. <br /><br />If I hold up a flower, and say "what is it?" You say "flower". But what have you done? You've given me its name. You've identified it by it's form. You've made it into some "thing". I asked what IS it?<br /><br />You say "plant". Once again you've given its name. What IS it? <br /><br />A seed? An organism? All names - what IS IT?<br /><br />You cannot say WHAT it is. Yet it IS. All "things" are just like this.<br /><br />That IS-ness is unquantifiable yet undeniable. The separate existence of "things" is only illusion or mithya - only names and forms - the existence is pure Being - nondual reality. Just THIS, whatever THIS might be called.<br /><br />So this is the inherent crack in the foundation of duality - we point out "things" only because of name and form, yet the name and form CANNOT be the true existence. And whatever that existence IS, you ARE.<br /><br />What, then, is "shiva"?<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-50461909607679888702009-07-24T23:09:47.666-04:002009-07-24T23:09:47.666-04:00Even calling you 'randall" feels ridiculo...Even calling you 'randall" feels ridiculous to me at this time...its insane...<br /><br />SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-62252132821155293802009-07-24T23:07:38.600-04:002009-07-24T23:07:38.600-04:00Randall,
thank you. I have no words - every line ...Randall,<br /><br />thank you. I have no words - every line in your response was like a nail hammered in my head - u go looking for a pond and find an ocean and it leaves u speechless.<br /><br />thank you with all my heart<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-88606137681514332032009-07-23T22:13:39.193-04:002009-07-23T22:13:39.193-04:00Shiva,
You cannot grasp yourself. You simply ARE...Shiva,<br /><br />You cannot grasp yourself. You simply ARE. And WHAT you are is always the product of mind - a never-ending story built on names and forms. I am this body, I am this mind or thoughts or intellect, I am this seeker, I am this father, mother, son, daughter...<br /><br />Do you know "I"? You've referenced it for a lifetime. What IS "I"? <br /><br />"I" is taken to be the body. "I" is taken to be the thoughts. Yet these are only objective, only experiences, only content. These are describable. These have characteristics and attributes. Something knows the body and thoughts.<br /><br />That "something" isn't really a "thing", is it? That "something" doesn't appear, does it? That "something" isn't objective, in the way the body, mind and world are. That "something" isn't describable, yet it's ever there. That "I" is ever-there, yet it does not appear. YOU do not appear to yourself. <br /><br />That subjectivity is always there - THAT is what we really mean when we say "I" - when we seek to know ourselves. And that pure formless attribute-less "I" is self-evident. It requires no proof, no measurement, no quantification, no objective appearance. It is self-evident. What is more self-evident than the Self?<br /><br />So you are absolutely certain that you ARE. This is the "I AM". You know "I AM". You are ALWAYS present - you are always here. You are ALWAYS aware - you are always aware-ness. "I" IS Awareness or knowing or whatever word you like. <br /><br />So this ever-present, self-evident Self or "I" is always there and obvious, intimately known. But it's translated by the mind with the words "I AM". I AM. So "I AM" must, to the dualistic nature of mind, be some "thing". It must be a thing. So it becomes body-mind.<br /><br />So then "I AM the body-mind" becomes the TRANSLATED reality. And from there that body-mind-I is referenced in EVERYTHING, in every activity - then "I am thinking", "I am suffering", "I am seeking enlightenment or freedom from suffering".<br /><br />Yet all the while, "I" is nothing but that pure formless subjectivity - misidentified as some "thing". The "I" hasn't changed, it hasn't gone away and come again, it hasn't appeared anew due to proper seeking. "I" is always there as the very subjectivity NECESSARY for the experience called "body-mind" to appear or be known. "I" is always there for the appearance or experience called "world" to come and go.<br /><br />And the totality of these appearances we call "Consciousness". So this pure formless "I" is always there and the very subjectivity or open space or capacity necessary for this very Consciousness to appear and go. <br /><br />When Consciousness has subsided, the ability to KNOW THAT you are is gone, yet you still ARE, otherwise you wouldn't know that Consciousness came back. So you are absolutely certain that you exist prior to the appearance of the body, mind, world, and the entirety called Consciousness.<br /><br />That BEING-ness or "I AM"-ness just IS. It cannot be described, it cannot be located, it cannot be talked about - because doing so is always in some context, from some reference point, using language which is inherently dualistic. To point out Being is to assume not-being. So that "beingness" just IS - it IS the essence of the appearance and absence of appearance.<br /><br />It is like the chain and the ring. The chain thinks it's separate from the ring. Yet it's ever gold, just as the ring. The essence is gold, the appearance is chain and ring. <br /><br />So "Shiva" seeking to know himself is like the chain seeking gold. In reality it is the gold which recognizes it is not-chain, not-ring.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-82747211772026992922009-07-23T21:54:44.206-04:002009-07-23T21:54:44.206-04:00Shiva,
The ego is the "I"-thought, the ...Shiva,<br /><br />The ego is the "I"-thought, the image. "I am thinking". "I am seeking". "I am suffering". <br /><br />What is thinking, seeking or suffering? These are only stories attached to a concept about an "I" as a separately-existing "thing".<br /><br />As you said - what sees the progress? Something remains, something IS while progress comes and goes, while thinking comes and goes, while suffering comes and goes.<br /><br />And then the "I"-thought comes in to claim the doing, the thinking, the seeking, the suffering, the progress.<br /><br />Simply SEE that this is what is happening. That is all. See the mechanism at work - SEE that the entirety of the ego or "I" is nothing but thought/story/image. Then nothing more is necessary. The image can go on, the stories can go on yet they aren't bought into, there is no belief that they reference some separately-existing "person", some entity within a bag of skin. <br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-83380306563929203742009-07-23T18:12:10.648-04:002009-07-23T18:12:10.648-04:00hi again Randall,
sorry for babbling so much.... ...hi again Randall,<br /><br />sorry for babbling so much.... It is clear to me now that all speaking, pointing, knowing, seeing - is missing the point - pointers may help to see the fact that anything pointed/said/understood is missing the point but to point to something ELSE there is right away right there a duality - a pointer/pointing and a pointed to. <br /><br />What I AM I cannot grasp - it its absolutely undeniably impossible. All that i call 'knowing' is experiential - how can i know (in the way i know just about everything) that which has no properties and is the very substrate of knowing itself? <br /><br />people write all sorts of stuff - some guy wrote how, while giving ramana a bath, he had a thought "this is just a human being" and then he had a cataclysmic death experience and begged forgiveness for not realizing ramana's greatness. Its bollocks right? that kinda crap dings into your psyche and messes everything up...It seems that ....the programming, the illusion, subverts our ability to "get" those who truly point and say "you are just like me" and we make them into deified beings.<br /><br />Some cultish guru in the past that i knew always used to say "you need a living guru, dead gurus don't slap you when needed". While his actions were questionable, there seems to be some poignant truth to those words - reading about Nisargatatta's stories from his henchmen or ramanas' stories told by those who live with him....its versions of someones interpretations of their own stories and ultimately, nothing more than EXPERIENCES. No wrods can ever ever ever describe what is property-less. All those books can be thrown in the trash.<br /><br />Be still and know that I am God. simple. nothing more.<br /><br />So I will still suffer, I will probably will come back in a week with more questions.... its fine. doesn't mean squat. everything will not turn into honey and roses. bills will be there to pay, physical pain will be there, emotional pain will definitely be there. And I will be Here so that all the other jingbang can all be there! <br /><br />thank you<br />SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-59527014901951799392009-07-22T19:56:55.898-04:002009-07-22T19:56:55.898-04:00"This splitting hairs is irrelevant and ultim..."This splitting hairs is irrelevant and ultimately meaningless. You ARE - there is no doubt about it. You are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that you ARE. Simply find out why it is that you are so certain? How do you know you ARE?"<br /><br />Randall what does this even mean!!! All i know is by analysis, by mind/thought. What does 'know" mean. What does 'cerain' mean. Who is certain? Certain of what? What does anything mean!!!<br /><br />AM I? I am i suppose because there is space for the question to arise. Yes. I definitely Am else the question would not even arise. Other than that i dont know one molecule. Is that it?<br /><br />S<br /><br />what?<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-1508366005119026422009-07-22T19:26:31.299-04:002009-07-22T19:26:31.299-04:00my point - which i missed completely - is that my ...my point - which i missed completely - is that my 'non-dual' or 'ego-less' experiences, which really scared the bejesus outta me, mean squat. Is that true?<br /><br />thank you<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-19207618005644692812009-07-22T19:20:55.746-04:002009-07-22T19:20:55.746-04:00Holy S8t.
Randall, I went to charlie hayes site f...Holy S8t.<br /><br />Randall, I went to charlie hayes site from here and ended up watching some vids by mooji on his site. mooji said "sometimes when people say they have come this far or reached this advanced state, i ask them what sees this progress they made... and sometimes the identity combusts"... this just completely shook my foundations.<br /><br />so the experiences of what i call 'ego death' that i had when talking to John Wheeler and you, i can say with certitude now that *I* (shiva) was not present, that there was something alive that was sensing and Be-ing but it was identity-less. I can attest to that with all the vigour i can muster. STILL - moojis point just shook everything up for me. There is still a continuity between the so called 'ego-less experience' I claim, and "shiva" - else "shiva" here and now would not be able to talk about it.<br /><br />So basically, I cannot even approach who I AM, can i? Much less understand/grasp/know? Its impossible...completely and utterly impossible...? EVEN if the ego dies, that doesn't mean a darn trhing in terms of getting a closer grasp on who/what i am?<br /><br /><br />thank you<br />ShivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-72519730169152262852009-07-22T03:22:05.816-04:002009-07-22T03:22:05.816-04:00A big fuss is made in non dual circus about the di...A big fuss is made in non dual circus about the disappearance of the sense of me...talks,books are made about that,and how wonderful it is...but isn't that what drives the search?? I tell you,those dramatic events where the sense of me is no more are very very rare and in a sense are meaningless;for most of "us",the sense of me will still be there and it is ok if it is understood for what it is...but this ordinariness seems very boring for the seeker who wants goodies and fireworks!some write about the extraordinary ordinary,but that is still too much,it still gives hope...no awakening,no liberation,no energetic shift,no extraordinary,just an ordinary life with its ups and downs,but perhaps with less suffering and seeking...much ado about nothing!bibihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904761799017911513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-71542385454923522032009-07-20T16:28:17.503-04:002009-07-20T16:28:17.503-04:00Doug,
So you ARE that. And through neti-neti, th...Doug,<br /><br />So you ARE that. And through neti-neti, that presence is known, although it doesn't appear. It is clear that it IS what you are, once all impermanent appearances are negated.<br /><br />The body is known. It changes. Something is aware of the body. Thoughts are known. They change. They come and go. Something is aware of thoughts.<br /><br />That "something" isn't itself appearing - not describable, not quantifiable, not a "thing" as such but the very source of experiencing. THAT is always going on and THAT is what you are, right here and now.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-53501359292261131222009-07-20T15:32:17.255-04:002009-07-20T15:32:17.255-04:00Thank you Randal, maybe that so called guru who sa...Thank you Randal, maybe that so called guru who said that I can touch presence is out of touch himself! You cleared that up.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-14226514975096669502009-07-20T06:49:05.847-04:002009-07-20T06:49:05.847-04:00Anonymous,
Ultimately even Consciousness, deep sl...Anonymous,<br /><br />Ultimately even Consciousness, deep sleep, thought are all concepts. It is only mind which calls them as such and even mind is a concept. <br /><br />To say Consciousness appears and disappears IS duality - yet that is pointing out direct experience - if that is recognized then we look to THAT which knows that Consciousness appears and disappears.<br /><br />From there we may find that this appearance is not separate or other than THAT to which it comes and goes. <br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-83968100750489990022009-07-20T02:54:51.281-04:002009-07-20T02:54:51.281-04:00Randall, can consciousness ever be known to have a...Randall, can consciousness ever be known to have actually disappeared.<br />If consciousness disappears in deep sleep it is remembered as a thought in consciouness only but not known as actuality surely.<br />To say it appears and disappears is duality yes?.It would seem that there is only ever appearing and not its opposite disappearing.<br />Nothing may appear as everything so can nothing then disappear when its already NOTHING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-59083198847883564712009-07-19T22:42:43.601-04:002009-07-19T22:42:43.601-04:00Josef,
Hello again my friend. Love to you.
ran...Josef,<br /><br />Hello again my friend. Love to you.<br /><br /><br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2102779776758563952.post-80429952417994052842009-07-19T22:42:14.751-04:002009-07-19T22:42:14.751-04:00Doug,
You cannot feel Presence - you ARE Presence...Doug,<br /><br />You cannot feel Presence - you ARE Presence, as it's being used. That is pointing to that subjectivity or true "I" from which the "I"-thought or I AM-ness comes.<br /><br />Yet the only capital by which this Presence is known is Consciousness. In so-called deep sleep there is no knowledge of I AM - yet what-you-are remains. Do you admit that you weren't present in deep sleep? Only the concept of "you" was absent. Consciousness was absent.<br /><br />So Presence and Absence are still concepts - Presence is known in Consciousness and Absence is known in deep sleep, which is nothing BUT the absence of Consciousness conceptualized into "I slept."<br /><br />THAT which KNOWS, THAT which IS - beyond even Consciousness, there beyond both Presence or Absence, is YOU. And YOU are not some personal and separate being. You ARE Being. You ARE Life. <br /><br />And Life is just another word - it points to the actual reality FROM WHICH even Consciousness appears AS THAT. But that reality cannot be spoken of or thought of or conceptualized, simply because the very process of doing that (which is MIND) creates the appearance of duality. If we say Presence we must admit to Absence. If we speak of Being we must admit to non-Being. If we speak of I AM we must speak of "the world".<br /><br />Therefore your true essence IS THAT yet it cannot be grasped by the mind's dualistic process. There is nowhere to go to BECOME the Absolute because you already ARE That. The only true directive or sadhana is to BE as you ARE.<br /><br />Vedanta calls it Satchitananda. Sat is Being. Chit is Knowing or Awareness. Being IS Knowing.<br /><br />This splitting hairs is irrelevant and ultimately meaningless. You ARE - there is no doubt about it. You are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that you ARE. Simply find out why it is that you are so certain? How do you know you ARE?<br /><br />You know that you ARE because you are always present (Being/Sat) and aware (Knowing/Chit). THAT is the certainty or knowledge of I AM. And that remains unmoved as Consciousness comes and goes. Recognize that Consciousness comes and goes against this ground of satchitananda.<br /><br /><br />love<br />randallRandall Friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004296258866577268noreply@blogger.com