Conversation with Joan Tollifson and Charlie Hayes
This is an hour-long phone conversation between Joan Tollifson and Charlie Hayes. It is very clear, direct and recommended listening.
Charlie Hayes Interview with Joan Tollifson
See their respective sites:
Joan Tollifson - What Is Real?
Charlie Hayes - The Eternal State
2 comments:
This sounds like two complete space-cadets agreeing with each other. I have actually met Charlie Hayes a while ago, before this latest incarnation as some kind of a "guru". I can tell you, the guy is a total nut-job!
Don't know about the 'cosmic' woman talking, but she sounds like her marbles just rolled into her ass.
Phew, I was glad to find out Hitler never existed... It's just that darn loving, infinite Universe "Hitlering" itself again! Good ol' lovin' Universe, huh?
Thank you so much for your comments.
Your perceptions of these two may be accurate or not, in a relative sense. Naturally there is a reaction arising, apparently negative, and that's perfectly fine. There's no problem in it. That's what is presently arising.
The presently-arising story of this conversation being good or bad, conducted by nut-jobs or not, is not really the issue. The question is - what is KNOWING these reactions? WHO has an opinion? Can you find that entity?
Pay close attention to the fact that, although the leanings of the mind come and go, that seeing/knowing never goes, never changes. There is an undeniable knowing Presence behind the clouds of the mind - and that is what you are.
Nothing can affect that KNOWING - nothing touches it, it has no opinion, has no agenda, is not capable of like or dislike, does not care one way or another. It is not attached in any way with the slant of the mind, which is an overlay to this space of silent presence.
Resting in this emptiness is Peace.
with love
randall
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